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Ridgeback
12-06-2009, 01:59 PM
Have you Yanks lost the plot entirely???


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Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
Monday, November 30, 2009
By Rowan Scarborough


Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in
Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four
Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs
who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused
non-judicial punishment — called a captain's mast — and have requested a
trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told
investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to
prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target,
three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have
retained lawyers.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is
facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully
failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and
assault.
Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of
performance of duty and making a false official statement.
Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an
additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

Neal Puckett, an attorney representing McCabe, told Fox News the SEALs are
being charged for allegedly giving the detainee a “punch in the gut.”
“I don’t know how they’re going to bring this detainee to the United States
and give us our constitutional right to confrontation in the courtroom,”
Puckett said. “But again, we have terrorists getting their constitutional
rights in New York City, but I suspect that they’re going to deny these
SEALs their right to confrontation in a military courtroom in Virginia.”

The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three
SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by
investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the
three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still
being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in
the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the
kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee. "I gave the detainee a
glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong
with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of
U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have
been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their
court martial is scheduled for January.

United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal
source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi
authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to
American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of
command, and an investigation ensued.

The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that
"Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been
tracking this guy for some time."

The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq
and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over
Iraq.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company
when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents
burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the
bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to
photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded
capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the
Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in
connection with detainee treatment.

Festus
12-06-2009, 02:28 PM
That these Navy Seals should be brought up on charges is beyond ludicrous. And yes, we Yanks as a country have indeed lost the plot entirely. I can't say more because of well....you know....

Dr Git
12-06-2009, 02:31 PM
This is a sad day for America....I'm Disgraced

Serious_Poo
12-06-2009, 03:08 PM
That these Navy Seals should be brought up on charges is beyond ludicrous. And yes, we Yanks as a country have indeed lost the plot entirely. I can't say more because of well....you know....

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What he said.

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ianj5150
12-06-2009, 03:19 PM
That report fails to mention that at least one of the Blackwater personnel was very much still alive when he was immolated, as photographs taken by the murders at the time attested. This fact seems to have been conveniently airbrushed out of later accounts of the atrocity, for I-know-not-what reason.

So Abed had a 'bloody lip'. Ahhh, bless. Whatever chinless wonder PC-on-mescaline bureaucrat decided to press charges needs horse-whipping.

imwjl
12-06-2009, 07:30 PM
That is the original Fox headline that differs from USSCOCENT and Navy releases as well as radio news I caught on the subject. The actual charges are not for capturing the suspects.

That does not mean that I am anything but unhappy about it all, but that I would prefer the news to broadcast the actual charges if I was facing trouble, legal issues or until I had my day in court.

cvansickle
12-06-2009, 07:33 PM
Last time I checked, we were at war. All's fair.

02Singlecut
12-07-2009, 05:49 PM
Last time I checked, we were at war. All's fair.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

flyingvee
12-07-2009, 06:15 PM
Oh NO! the terrorist was punched by a SEAL? shoot - why bother with a trial - just hang em. I hope Ali Hashi Babi is safely ensconced in a plush air conditioned domicile with 200 sat channels and free PPV. :rolleyes:

Myself, I'm highly disappointed that the SEALS actually brought him in alive. I much prefer the story from last week, where the guy who gunned down 4 police while they were doing reports in a diner was apprehended. And shot.

Had to have saved taxpayers a few million dollars.

02Singlecut
12-07-2009, 06:37 PM
Oh NO! the terrorist was punched by a SEAL? shoot - why bother with a trial - just hang em. I hope Ali Hashi Babi is safely ensconced in a plush air conditioned domicile with 200 sat channels and free PPV. :rolleyes:

Myself, I'm highly disappointed that the SEALS actually brought him in alive. I much prefer the story from last week, where the guy who gunned down 4 police while they were doing reports in a diner was apprehended. And shot.

Had to have saved taxpayers a few million dollars.

6 rounds(2 in the chest,1 in the shoulder, 1 in the leg and 2 in the stomach) including the one put thru him by the officer that was killed in Lakewood, and he still made it 12.5 yards. I look forward to the outcome of the firearms review underway. The 40 caliber standard issue with SPD and other law enforcement IMHO is gonna be short lived. :cool:

leroy4403
12-07-2009, 07:23 PM
6 rounds(2 in the chest,1 in the shoulder, 1 in the leg and 2 in the stomach) including the one put thru him by the officer that was killed in Lakewood, and he still made it 12.5 yards. I look forward to the outcome of the firearms review underway. The 40 caliber standard issue with SPD and other law enforcement IMHO is gonna be short lived. :cool:

Two words.....

Crystal Meth....

That's the only way he made it the extra 11.5 yds.

Paralax View
12-09-2009, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately Ridge, you are correct in that we have lost the plot, and thrown away the script. This is why any war we are in now or in the future will continue to be long, drawn out, completely in the enemies favor, and in the end we don't want to hurt their feelings.

Mr. Holder is a weenee of the first order, and so are anyone of these idiots that would consider trying these valiant men of honor. In the end, men with no honor, but a political ax to grind shouldn't even be able to shine the boots of these Seals. All they had to do was say, no way. But they don't, so that their political agenda and star can shine.

Ridgeback
12-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Unfortunately Ridge, you are correct in that we have lost the plot, and thrown away the script. This is why any war we are in now or in the future will continue to be long, drawn out, completely in the enemies favor, and in the end we don't want to hurt their feelings.

Mr. Holder is a weenee of the first order, and so are anyone of these idiots that would consider trying these valiant men of honor. In the end, men with no honor, but a political ax to grind shouldn't even be able to shine the boots of these Seals. All they had to do was say, no way. But they don't, so that their political agenda and star can shine.

Hear, hear!! Well said, brudda! How did we raise a generation that's so utterly gutless in running the country when their kids are so damned brave and committed to serving the nation?

Beats the fox outta me.....:confused:

Czar Of Zonk
12-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Two words.....

Crystal Meth....

That's the only way he made it the extra 11.5 yds.

I'd rather have "Crystal Bernard" :D

As for original subject / title... Yeah, don't even get me started because of well, you know.... All I'll say is this: "it's only a matter of time..." Sigh.

VCuomo
12-10-2009, 05:20 PM
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Give those three Navy SEALS medals.

Give Mr. Abed a bullet in the back of his head.

Give me Crystal Bernard too. :)

02Singlecut
12-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Two words.....

Crystal Meth....

That's the only way he made it the extra 11.5 yds.

Tox screen negative! Other than painkillers.:eek:

Mike Duncan
12-10-2009, 07:04 PM
Who's side are we on? This is nuts.

ac30guy
12-10-2009, 07:47 PM
this crap is ridiculous...what happened to taking care of our own people? People who aren't citizens have more rights than those of us who are...