Guitar Amp Modeeling With PRSh

[yjxiao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOPK80kcdA&feature=channel

Pretty cool vid... Some nice playing PRSh.

Looks like he's playing a modern eagle but with a single coil in the middle. They're trying to model a sewell too!

Pretty awesome! I want the guitar he's playing!:dude:

[SolidSnake3035]

Yeah that's definitely a nice guitar.

Program seems awesome but it's just a tad pricey for me to check out at the moment. :-/

[yjxiao]

Ya, 280 just for the software. Although if the quality is what they say it is... That's a bargain. I doubt PRSh would just randomly plug the company if it wasn't up to his usual exacting standards.

[SolidSnake3035]

Yeah no that's not too bad but I wouldn't want to get it without the PRS hardware interface thing that they sell with it.

And damn... bills... shitty economy... bleh... :(

[Semi-Hollow]

Thanks .... well worth checking out ... my Fav was the process of amp modeling
its simply amazing just how exact they can sample and reproduce a tone

Wonder if they grabbed a little mojo along the way (Oh wait thats another thread):D

Also, I love how Paul "still" gets excited about things!

[ajax]

Plug-ins are like inflatable girlfriends!

I've yet to hear anything (& I do this for a living) where a digital emulation sounds as good as high quality analogue.

[Semi-Hollow]

Plug-ins are like inflatable girlfriends!

I've yet to hear anything (& I do this for a living) where a digital emulation sounds as good as high quality analogue.

I'm not an engineer, however the effort and equipment used to capture the sound (Expensive mics and placement from cab etc) then the A/B test until you couldn't tell one form the other (see 4:20 to 5:05), PRSH tips his hat to these guys

"Maybe" Paul isn't ready to part with his vast amp collection any time soon, But for me who cant afford to own all those vintage amps and cabinets (and basically bound to a bedroom) its seems a great substitute ..... looks like i will need to check it out for myself

Probably wrong forum, but what type of sound card, speakers etc would you need coupled to your PC?

[yjxiao]

I think any sound card will do... Obviously you'd want to invest in some nicer speakers...

The magic is all in the software itself, a lot of digital signal processing. You'd want to get a preamp for your guitar, like the one they sell. However, any preamp for guitar will do, you don't have to buy their over priced version, I'm willing to bet the guts are the same.

I think if you have a Mac, it would simplify the whole process.

[Semi-Hollow]

You'd want to get a preamp for your guitar, like the one they sell. However, any preamp for guitar will do, you don't have to buy their over priced version, I'm willing to bet the guts are the same.


Is that the PRS thing?


I think if you have a Mac, it would simplify the whole process.


How does a Mac simplify things?

[Andrew]

I own Waves GTR (the software Paul is demoing) and I think the modeling is ridiculously realistic. I've never played a plugin or digital modeler that ever felt as good to play as GTR.

I had a friend over a couple weeks back and we put GTR through a few paces. We both agreed that GTR has none of the digital artifacts typically associated with digital distortion. Furthermore, GTR was superior in realism and feel when compared to Amplitube and Overloud, two of the other amp sims I own and we tested.

I've been a big fan of Waves ever since they released the Native Power Pack. The L1+ has been on more of my recordings than any other plugin.

[yjxiao]

Is that the PRS thing?



How does a Mac simplify things?

Yup, that's the PRS thing. It's the preamp. Basically your passive pickups don't generate a strong enough signal (because they are passive). You'll need that for any computer software based amp simulator.

With a mac you don't have to worry about having a sound card, firewire ports, etc etc, it's got all the different plugs and interfaces built in. A PC would work too, it would just be a lot more complicated.

PM me off line if you have need more help trying to setup a rig.

[boardwlk17]

Ya, 280 just for the software. Although if the quality is what they say it is... That's a bargain. I doubt PRSh would just randomly plug the company if it wasn't up to his usual exacting standards.
sweetwater has the software w/interface for 210 and free s&h :dude:

[Halsey]

sweetwater has the software w/interface for 210 and free s&h :dude:

Wow! That seems like a ridiculous deal...

What kind of speakers would one recommend for "computer playing" if I got this?

[Dodge]

I've yet to hear anything (& I do this for a living) where a digital emulation sounds as good as high quality analogue.

Couldn't agree more. I use digital stuff for home recording, just to avoid upsetting the neighbours and for convenience but it's not even remotely like the real thing.

I own Waves GTR (the software Paul is demoing) and I think the modeling is ridiculously realistic. I've never played a plugin or digital modeler that ever felt as good to play as GTR.

I had a friend over a couple weeks back and we put GTR through a few paces. We both agreed that GTR has none of the digital artifacts typically associated with digital distortion. Furthermore, GTR was superior in realism and feel when compared to Amplitube and Overloud, two of the other amp sims I own and we tested.


That's interesting - I own Amplitube 2, Guitar Rig 3, Waves GTR, Softube Vintage Amp Room, Revalver III and a Pod XT. I think GR3 and Waves are probably the weakest out of the bunch. If I have to use 100% modelling, I tend to use Amplitube's amps with Revalver's convolution speaker sim (using my own impulse responses), but at home I tend to run a real amp into a MiniMASS and just use Revalver to load my impulses.

I think it depends on what sort of guitar tone turns you on, but for what I like - digital doesn't cut it. I do use Amplitube SVX (Ampeg bass sims) quite a lot though.

[seancca]

Yup, that's the PRS thing. It's the preamp. Basically your passive pickups don't generate a strong enough signal (because they are passive). You'll need that for any computer software based amp simulator.

With a mac you don't have to worry about having a sound card, firewire ports, etc etc, it's got all the different plugs and interfaces built in. A PC would work too, it would just be a lot more complicated.

PM me off line if you have need more help trying to setup a rig.

Not to sound like a jerk but to do you know what you are talking about? I use both a pc and mac and to be honest the only simplest part is the fact that macs come with garageband so you can get started right away. Most Recording interfaces use usb now, or you pc will have a firewire port. That is about it. I have two interfaces and they both hook up via usb, granted the lexicon seems to not want to work right all the time so i picked up a clearance out toneport ux1. Also and interesting tidbit of information for all you people about not really being into modeling. Lincoln Brewster (he is a christian artist and really good guitar player) only uses a Line 6 x3 live for his sound, and gearbox in the studio as well. Take a listen to some of his stuff on iTunes or there is a video of him talking about it on youtube.

[Dirty Dan]

I've got the Native Instruments Guitar Rig 3, which I have found to be great for fooling around at low volume or with headphones. I may have to download the Waves demo and do a comparison between the two. Has anyone here tried both? Opinions?

[figher53]

...then the A/B test until you couldn't tell one form the other (see 4:20 to 5:05), PRSH tips his hat to these guys...

I thought the difference was actually pretty obvious, especially when PRSh asks him to do it again. Even with just 2 strums...

[yjxiao]

I thought the difference was actually pretty obvious, especially when PRSh asks him to do it again. Even with just 2 strums...

Maybe my ears are shot... but I really couldn't hear a difference. It also might by the crappy computer speakers.

[seancca]

Maybe my ears are shot... but I really couldn't hear a difference. It also might by the crappy computer speakers.
I think because it is not a omg night and day difference. There is a bit of a subtle change. The real amp has a bit more bass to the sound. Even paul says it is really really really really close and the man lives with the amps.

[boardwlk17]

I have a bunch of great amps and pro gear. i just want something i can hook up fast and get some quailty sound from recording on my laptop. and from what i heard is sounds pretty good. I think paul Knows a littlebit about sound...:dude:

[Vshine]

http://www.voxamps.com/jamvox/

[Czar Of Zonk]

As far as I'm concerned, the standard / bar setting for digital modeling is Fractal Audio' Axe FX... yeah, it's not a "plug-in", but it doesn't have to be... Even in post production, you could run the signal chain through...

I'm so fed up with "general purpose computing" a la Microsoft, Apple/Mac, nor Linux;

It seems that "set top" is really the right idea, expensive as it may be (as if general purpose computing isn't expensive!), but it's seemingly "set it and forget it", at least as far as my experiences have shown;

The general PC attempts are fraught with nightmares... should I do ASIO? What should my buffer size be? Latency or CPU? VST3.1.1? On board or outboard? Usb or firewire 400 or 800? Hitting the "abort" button in Sonar / ProLogic often? Can't shutdown your computer? Device driver locked? BSF et al or rack mount DM1/DM3/DM5?

What a nightmare... and the mac aint exactly making life THAT much better... Apple can be just as predatory as Microsoft, especially as of late; Same with Sun / Java... Don't believe any of them if they claim they care about "open-ness" and interoperability one iota...

As least the Axe FX is signal interoperable in a rack et al... I'm eying up those desktop "studios"; Just turn it on and go...

[Seamus]

I have to be devil's advocate here - what does this offer that the Line6 stuff does not. They've been in the digital modeling game for a lot longer, and I think they've got it sorted. I've been using Line6 gear for years, and they seem way ahead of the curve.

Just wondrin'

Jim

[defiance]

finally getting the software...

what does this have that the line 6 stuff doesnt? Quality.

[Macman]

You might want to check out http://www.overloud.com/en/products/index.php?catid=49 before you pull the trigger.

From the demos, its pretty impressive. A friend of mine is writing presets for them and he's found some amazing tones thru it. And he owns a pretty nice collection of amps and modeling stuff too...

[Semi-Hollow]

Thanks for all the great info guys

[Osirisprotocol]

I've been on the hunt for a new amp for quite some time now as some of you may know. I've used an older version of GuitarRig in the past which I found to be ok at that time. It wasn't amazing but in it's defense I wasn't using great speakers or headphones at the time. But if Waves GTR3 or another program can get me the what I thought to be the great tones I heard in this video then I'm all for it.

No matter how you look at it it's modeling software. I'm not one to try to cop someone else's tone or nail a number of different amp tones as accuratly as possible. I'm interested in an amp that sounds good and to my ears this program does that. For under $300 plus the cost of a good set of speakers I can get a great bedroom rig for personal playing and recording. I'd personally get an amp for gigging but thats because I prefer to have one on stage as its what I'm used to. I'm personally gonna look into Waves some more as I may pick it up for home usage.

[Czar Of Zonk]

I have to be devil's advocate here - what does this offer that the Line6 stuff does not. They've been in the digital modeling game for a lot longer, and I think they've got it sorted. I've been using Line6 gear for years, and they seem way ahead of the curve.

Just wondrin'

Jim

I don't know this software, so I can't comment on comparisons...

As for line-6... sigh... I started with the original guitar port... way back when... I am thoroughly disappointed with line-6;

In very short answer, yes the word is quality...

There is but maybe one or two original engineers... all the others left / quit... The management of the company is intent on wringing every last $$$ off the original engineering, which is now paling in comparison to other efforts going on, especially what is going on with Fractal's Axe FX, in which it's not technically a model in the sense of what line-6 did nor what this software intends from what I can gather... hence, the algorithms in the Axe don't suffer from the modeling tizzy artifacts... plus, high quality physical connectors make a big difference, let alone the circuitry... Line-6 physical workmanship of the boards et al is pretty dismal;