TGP: What is the phreaking beef

[Mondoslug]

I don't get it...why all the anti-love?
I've found some real good info there & made some decent deals.

[Michael Patrick]

I love TGP....:dude:

















In a very masculine, hetero kinda way....

[Jon Silberman]

Ain't got time to hate.

[jato]

Dont look at me...I'm going through withdrawal.

I mean it...dont LOOK at me!

:D

/s.
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[aleclee]

I don't get it...why all the anti-love? Mostly from folks who couldn't play nice with others and got banned.

Funny thing is that if they really cared about the community enough to be so upset about it, you have to wonder why they didn't bring themselves to follow the rules.

[mightyguru]

Personally, i <3 TGP.

[mavrick10_2000]

I'm having withdrawls. But now I'm enjoying BaM as well.

[dougb415]

I thought it was "Where's the beef?"

[mwoeppel]

I could care less

[JMintzer]

I could care less
No don't start that again! :mad: :p :D


Jamie

[sanhozay]

Some people have a difficult time being told to stay between the lines. Anger is such a combustible thing...there's not many options how to process it. If one learns to frequently eat it and dispose of it properly it deflates ego less rapidly.

The banned ostracized themselves and form community with other likeminded self loathing neeners. It's a fascinating study if you have the time and motivation. Fortunately, I couldn't care less.

[scottl]

Love the place!

Especially all those Shweet tracks by that Andy Most fella.... ;)

[CustomX]

hate is just baggage

[dougb415]

I could care less
Uh-oh.... restraint... restraint....

[fatback]

http://www.zyra.org.uk/kobe.jpg

...and speaking of Kobe, anyone catch the ending to the Suns/Lakers game on Sunday!!!:eek:



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oh yeah, the Gear Page is head kick'in goooooooooood! ;)

[Daddyo]

It was kind of weird having to agree to never speak negativly about manufacturer's products unless you had been successful in litigation against that manufacturer - but heh, it's the 21 century.

[aleclee]

It was kind of weird having to agree to never speak negativly about manufacturer's products unless you had been successful in litigation against that manufacturer - but heh, it's the 21 century.<sigh> That's not the policy and never was.

You can say pretty much whatever you want about a manufacturer's products. What you can't do is say things like "Bill Roccopeters screwed me out of $27,000,000". If you're going to make statements that could be construed as libelous, you need to meet a standard of proof. Saying that "my buddy's Roccopeters amp crapped out after only two weeks" won't get you in trouble but might get your statement scrutinized (e.g., maybe you didn't mention that he biased it at 70mA).

There are a lot of folks out there with agendas (we've seen a few show up here during our server exile) and others who perpetuate falsehoods knowingly or unknowingly (remember the Bruno amp pic?). We're trying to cut down on the innuendo that can damage good people's reputations and help keep TGP running by avoiding litigation. Heck, even HC has a policy (now actually enforced) against libelous statements and they have a paid staff and MF's lawyers to back them up. Given TGP's much more modest organization, I don't think it's too much to ask that members of the community occasionally act in the long-term interest of the community.

[Scumbag]

Given TGP's much more modest organization, I don't think it's too much to ask that members of the community occasionally act in the long-term interest of the community.
Ok, that's enough of the forward thinking common sense approach...knock it off! ;)

Lots of folks won't agree with you, though. It's that whole instant gratification of emotional outburst thinking/typing/slandering thing. Somehow, they feel entitled to say whatever they want without any proof, or experience. Seen it many times, and boy, does it get old...which is why I'm quoting your sig line here:

That's what the internet is for: slandering people anonymously! - Banky Edwards

[aleclee]

Ok, that's enough of the forward thinking common sense approach...knock it off! ;) Sorry. It gets me in trouble at work, too.

[Scumbag]

Sorry. It gets me in trouble at work, too.
I hear you. My clients always tell me it's too much money to do it right...up until what I told them to do saves their butt in the future. After that, you have carte blanche.

But they still have to learn it for themselves, instead of learning from other's mistakes.

[Scott Peterson]

Don't worry, they'll blame it all on me somehow and bring the hate down hard. :D

Pffft. :D

What I get a kick out of is that much of the anger/resentment/hate/what-have-you is directed at me. Even though folks agree to act as (gasp!) adults and communicate in a civil manner and then don't. And are held accountable. That somehow gets boiled down to the supposed "fact" that I am at fault for it all.

Must be the haircut or something. (shrug). :D

[Big Mike]

Freakin Peterson..Jeeeeeeeeez.






;)


Words to live by.

'everyone is 10 feet tall and bulletproof behind their computer monitor'

[Carson Utz]

I couldn't care MORE. I miss TGP!

[michael.e]

Don't worry, they'll blame it all on me somehow and bring the hate down hard. :D

Pffft. :D

What I get a kick out of is that much of the anger/resentment/hate/what-have-you is directed at me. Even though folks agree to act as (gasp!) adults and communicate in a civil manner and then don't. And are held accountable. That somehow gets boiled down to the supposed "fact" that I am at fault for it all.

Must be the haircut or something. (shrug). :D

I hear you on this!!!

Man! In my moments of free time and slumming it through HC, the utter hate spewed for TGP is amazing! And, yes, much of it there is directed at you! Like, like, fer instance.......... Did you know that you take all the donations from TGP and buy yerself amps and gear with it??


It is simply astonishing!

You guys kick arse!! :dude:

M.E.

[NuSkoolTone]

I'm not nuts about rules, but have to concede that unless you have FIRST hand experience with a product/mgr and can back it up, say something nice or nothing at all.

If you want to give a subjective opinion on tone or something that's one thing, but to say your friend was conned is another. IMO saying you're bandmate's XYZ kept breaking on him is another, just make sure you include your knowledge of how he treats his gear when you DON'T see it, and if you have no idea state so.

When it comes to potentially damaging things to one's business, you must remain objective and fair to BOTH sides of the story. Otherwise, someone can go belly up undeservedly, and that's not cool for ANY of us!

[mwoeppel]

Don't worry, they'll blame it all on me somehow and bring the hate down hard. :D

Pffft. :D

What I get a kick out of is that much of the anger/resentment/hate/what-have-you is directed at me.
I guess I'm hanging out in the wrong spot - I never heard anything bad about you, except you have extra girlfriends and you won't share. :p

[AaeCee]

I don't get it...why all the anti-love?
I've found some real good info there & made some decent deals.Well shove it, Nancy boy! There. Hope that makes you feel right back at TGP! Nice seeing you here, Andy. Still blown away by your playing. Using the R8 on any clips? Regards, AC

[marvar]

I used to spend hours and hours surfing between all the different forums on the net- then it occurred to me, if I spent as much time playing as I did surfing, I'd become a better player, and I wouldn't be getting into arguments about gear!
So now I limit my time on the old PC- and spend the rest of the time playing my guitars.

[Shark Diver]

I'm not nuts about rules, but have to concede that unless you have FIRST hand experience with a product/mgr and can back it up, say something nice or nothing at all.

If you want to give a subjective opinion on tone or something that's one thing, but to say your friend was conned is another. IMO saying you're bandmate's XYZ kept breaking on him is another, just make sure you include your knowledge of how he treats his gear when you DON'T see it, and if you have no idea state so.

When it comes to potentially damaging things to one's business, you must remain objective and fair to BOTH sides of the story. Otherwise, someone can go belly up undeservedly, and that's not cool for ANY of us!
I'm more of a BaMmer because of my guitar preference, but I love TGP as well. But I would like to know if "your friend was conned". Reviews and opinions should be taken with a grain of salt at all times. But I've had enough phone/email conversations with various members who have had similar problems with the same builder and/or dealer and they aren't allowed to voice that (as a caution) to others - that's not good. I don't believe in slander, but that's for the recipient to deal with. Maybe they shouldn't be in buisness. Free speech is a good thing. I read reviews on HC all the time and if one guy slams a product, but 30 have loved it, I can make up my own mind if I put any value into it.

At the same time rules are rules - and if we want to be part of that community then we should abide. If we don't think it's fair then start another board or go somewhere else. (TGP Love It or Leave It!) I think negative views are allowed, just that they want to keep it on a mature level.

[bassomatic]

What I get a kick out of is that much of the anger/resentment/hate/what-have-you is directed at me.

Having met you, (all too briefly) shared a stage with you, and having witnessed you're astoundingly cool head and even hand over the years on TGP, I find this utterly mindboggling.

Sounds like mebbe The Bizarro World version of you. Oy.

[sanhozay]

I have a few big irons in the fire. If things start going wrong I think I'll try blaming it all on Scott Peterson.

I suppose what the world needs {now} is a whole bunch more fall guys.

[wordsonyou]

I didn't notice any beef other than on HC where TGP hating is at an all time high. I miss TGP and all the crazy amp talk. How can I placate my gear addiction otherwise for so little dough?

TGP is the best forum I had ever joined...this is looking pretty cool too though...

[lpdude]

I had just found TGP, and now find myself jonesing for a thread about $1000.00
power cables. :dude:

[Jon Silberman]

Since I never go to HC the only things I know about it are what I read here and nothing I've ever read here has made me want to go visit it so, as they said in the '60's, the circle is unbroken. :)

[grego7]

There are a few things (and members) at HC that are honestly laugh out loud funny - the 'post your picture' threads are always hilarious to me. Some interesting reviews at times, and the spam threads usually have a lot of stuff at really low prices. BUT, any hint of disagreement with someone immediately turns into an expletive-laced, "my ***k is bigger than yours" juvenile hate-fest. I think that the average age is quite a bit lower there, as is tolerance for opposing views. TGP OTOH probably has the highest "talented player quotient" of all of these internet guitar forums (which I am probably significantly diluting by hanging out there); I can spend hours going through the member soundclips section, downloading just Monster Players, and the cool thing is that I can grab the backing tracks too to practice my own takes on these songs. All in all, just a very cool place to hange out, the major downside for me is that I get caught up in some of the glowing reviews of gear (mostly pedals), which feeds unnecessary gas. Can't wait until it's back up.

[Cap'n Fingers]

What I get a kick out of is that much of the anger/resentment/hate/what-have-you is directed at me. Even though folks agree to act as (gasp!) adults and communicate in a civil manner and then don't. And are held accountable. That somehow gets boiled down to the supposed "fact" that I am at fault for it all. Yeah, the sputum I see on HC is outrageous! According to the "Haters" we're a bunch of cork sniffers. :p Then, after all the foul mouthed rants, they wonder why people leave HC for TGP. Doh! The one thing I found surprising was seeing a respected Amp tech trash talking us with the best of them. Sad.

I have to admit the photoshop of Scott on the Brokeback cover was pretty funny. Sorry Scott. :D

In HC's defense; I'm sure there are plenty of great players and a weath of info there but the lack of netiquette by some prolific individuals make it a tough sell for me. I guess it's good that the immature have a place express themselves.

[FrankiePRS]

Bill Roccopeters screwed me out of $27,000,000.

[procos]

<sigh>
There are a lot of folks out there with agendas (we've seen a few show up here during our server exile) and others who perpetuate falsehoods knowingly or unknowingly (remember the Bruno amp pic?).
I only saw that thread briefly. Was that picture of the inside of the Cowtipper false? If so that is pretty lame because I only viewed that thread once and after viewing it thought that the amp's insides looked pretty terrible. Now I find out that picture was false? No wonder you guys need rules that could definitely hurt Bruno's business and to find out the picture is false really sucks bad for him.

Chuck

[rwe333]

I only saw that thread briefly. Was that picture of the inside of the Cowtipper false? If so that is pretty lame because I only viewed that thread once and after viewing it thought that the amp's insides looked pretty terrible. Now I find out that picture was false? No wonder you guys need rules that could definitely hurt Bruno's business and to find out the picture is false really sucks bad for him.

ChuckChuck, I think the word is that the amp was heavily modded by someone other than Bruno, hence the mess. What was also of concern was that the pic was (possibly) originally posted/circulated by another amp builder/s... (going by memory of the thread here, so those in-the-know please correct me if I'm wrong)

[Brian Scherzer]

HC is not my cup o' tea, but I'm glad that it exists. If you haven't noticed, forums that are moderated tend to get heat from people who believe that they should be allowed to say whatever they want. The fact that there are heavily moderated discussion sites, mildly moderated, and non-moderated sites at least gives folks a choice of where they are most comfortable. Of course, I'm still uncomfortable at discussion sites where a person might post their opinion about a set of strings and get a reply from someone else who says that they slept with the person's sister and mother! :) Maybe my best way of putting it is that I tend to distance myself from the "chest-thumping neanderthal" crowd and try to stick with the cromagnon types instead.

[Rock Johnson]

According to the "Haters" we're a bunch of cork sniffers.One can't deny that there is a fair amount of cork-sniffing at TGP, but it's still far more useful than the typical "i playd that amp at GC and it sux" review at HC. As long as you don't get caught up in the hoopla and convince yourself that your rig can't possibly be good because it doesn't have "x" in it, you'll be fine.

I love TGP, mainly because I'm NOT a cork-sniffer, and so it's cool to hear about all the nifty gear that's out there.

[Rock Johnson]

HC is not my cup o' tea, but I'm glad that it exists. If you haven't noticed, forums that are moderated tend to get heat from people who believe that they should be allowed to say whatever they want. The fact that there are heavily moderated discussion sites, mildly moderated, and non-moderated sites at least gives folks a choice of where they are most comfortable. Of course, I'm still uncomfortable at discussion sites where a person might post their opinion about a set of strings and get a reply from someone else who says that they slept with the person's sister and mother! :) Maybe my best way of putting it is that I tend to distance myself from the "chest-thumping neanderthal" crowd and try to stick with the cromagnon types instead.Exactly, Brian. The extremes at both ends are, essentially, useless. For a review to be meaningful, it has to be HONEST, above all else. I don't read reviews in guitar magazines because they never, ever post a bad review.

[Scumbag]

Somewhere between the Plexi Palace, TGP, and other forums I went in search of old Plexi tone. When I got there, and figured there would be a $4000 amp purchase, plus tube upgrades, maintenance, and reliability issues, I drew the line and went in search of modern equivalents.

While I wanted the "cork sniffy" tone (LOL), I didn't want the cork sniffy price. Through the posts of other members here, and on other boards, plus my own research I now have a killer JTM 45 clone, which I'm quite happy with.

I doubt I could have gotten the parts/tubes/output tranny/objective reviews I wanted at HC...probably because of the age group that usually posts reviews there.

Long live the TGP, and more experienced members/players/posters. :D

[LeonC]

In case no one noticed, there have been many, many threads at TGP over the years that were along the lines of "I love my cheap amp/pedal/guitar". There are plenty of TGPers who use inexpensive gear and who don't consider themselves cork-sniffers. And there are also plenty of guys like me who have "cork sniffer" gear and cheap stuff that they love too. I just think that if you dig under the surface at all, you see that generalizations about TGP being for cork sniffers are not accurate.

[Bulldog]

I love TGP cause it gives you the best of bost worlds, with so many more opinons from both sides of the experiance fence. At Plexi Palace, I always feel like Im more knowledgeable (probally not the best thing) when it comes to newer gear, and the vintage guys always seem stuck in a rut. I get great responses there, but never as quality as those i've recieved at TPG. Cause of TPG, Ive managed to assemble what I feel is the most perfect amp drive section I've ever had on my pedal board, with wonderful assistance from great players, and I feel comfortable helping newer players out cause experiance wise, I sit right in the middle.

[dougb415]

In case no one noticed, there have been many, many threads at TGP over the years that were along the lines of "I love my cheap amp/pedal/guitar". There are plenty of TGPers who use inexpensive gear and who don't consider themselves cork-sniffers.
Hey! I resemble that remark! :) My most expensive piece o' gear is my '05 MIM Tele - $360 at GC. My amp is an Epi Triggerman 60, bought for $225 new.

If I'm smelling a cork, it's Boone's Farm.....

[FrankiePRS]

Hey! I resemble that remark! :) My most expensive piece o' gear is my '05 MIM Tele - $360 at GC. My amp is an Epi Triggerman 60, bought for $225 new.

If I'm smelling a cork, it's Boone's Farm.....
HA! You're busted, cork-sniffer!! Boone's Farm comes with a lovely plastic cap. :p
http://www.geocities.com/tech673beer/pics/bf-wi.jpg

[DavidE]

I don't get it...why all the anti-love?
I've found some real good info there & made some decent deals.
Yeah Mondo. U rawk.

[extremeconcrete]

HA! You're busted, cork-sniffer!! Boone's Farm comes with a lovely plastic cap. :p
http://www.geocities.com/tech673beer/pics/bf-wi.jpg

That is the first "beverage" I ever had at a party some 20 years ago...I guzzled 2 bottles of it because I was a "cool" 15 year old...do not remember much after that.......oh....the memories....sort of........






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[Ed DeGenaro]

One can't deny that there is a fair amount of cork-sniffing at TGP, but it's still far more useful than the typical "i playd that amp at GC and it sux" review at HC. As long as you don't get caught up in the hoopla and convince yourself that your rig can't possibly be good because it doesn't have "x" in it, you'll be fine.

I love TGP, mainly because I'm NOT a cork-sniffer, and so it's cool to hear about all the nifty gear that's out there.
And/or...
Here's the deal unless one knows where somebody is coming from their take on any gear is pretty useless.
I'm still hoping to find a forum where the emphasis is what we do with the toys, not the toys.

[jn316]

Hate?


you mean ********? :D


Mod Edit: None of that, please...

[hemlock]

And/or...
Here's the deal unless one knows where somebody is coming from their take on any gear is pretty useless.
I'm still hoping to find a forum where the emphasis is what we do with the toys, not the toys.
That's 'cause you've got so damned many cool toys!!

[Ed DeGenaro]

That's 'cause you've got so damned many cool toys!!
I do?

[Brian Scherzer]

Ed.........One thing I have learned ovewr these years of running music discussion sites remains that the least popular topic areas (meaning least used and visited) are the ones that are actually about playing an instrument. The funny thing is that I experienced this myself. When I was actively playing, I found little time to post on my own forums! I would guess that many people lust for the search for "the sound" and that it is the search that excites people to post. I had a burst of activity recently when looking for the "right" set-neck guitar for myself. I found it in a Hamer "Triple Threat" and, with the search being over, posts asking about different guitars quit being important to me. I would imagine that others go through the same thing.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Ed.........One thing I have learned ovewr these years of running music discussion sites remains that the least popular topic areas (meaning least used and visited) are the ones that are actually about playing an instrument. The funny thing is that I experienced this myself. When I was actively playing, I found little time to post on my own forums! I would guess that many people lust for the search for "the sound" and that it is the search that excites people to post. I had a burst of activity recently when looking for the "right" set-neck guitar for myself. I found it in a Hamer "Triple Threat" and, with the search being over, posts asking about different guitars quit being important to me. I would imagine that others go through the same thing.

Fair enough...
I guess my beef with that whole line of looking for the "holy grail" tone is that most working musos I've know come eventually to the realisation that they're the most important aspect of it.
Yeah, new toys are fun. But I can take anyone of the 30 some guitars I have and be prefectly happy with, same with my amps...

[Big Mike]

Fair enough...
I guess my beef with that whole line of looking for the "holy grail" tone is that most working musos I've know come eventually to the realisation that they're the most important aspect of it.
Yeah, new toys are fun. But I can take anyone of the 30 some guitars I have and be prefectly happy with, same with my amps...
Have to agree with that point (though not the quantity) it's ALLL good.
Gear is fun. I can get buy with almost anything.

But it's fun to not have to.

[hemlock]

I do?

Hell yeah, you do!! I didn't know Germans could be coy.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Have to agree with that point (though not the quantity) it's ALLL good.
Gear is fun. I can get buy with almost anything.

But it's fun to not have to.
So true...I realised I'm starting to have too much when it took me a half hour to find a specific guitar in an 200sq. ft. area. :)

But seriously I'm the first to admit that I get my toys becuase I can, not becuase there's a need for me to have them. Other than being a compulsive gear slut.
Does it count as gear slut when you actually keep the stuff instead of buying and selling?

[Ed DeGenaro]

Hell yeah, you do!! I didn't know Germans could be coy.
The aren't, but boy can they play coy!!! :D

[wordsonyou]

The thing is everyone has their own agenda when it comes to music and that is a good thing. It's not all about killer playing for many people. For some people the collecting and sampling of different gear is a hobby in and of itself and I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

For me personally, my first goal is songwriting and then producing the track with the most monstrous guitar tones possible and as great production as I can muster - that means amps and guitar flavours play a major role in my musical life; even though I am clearly just a competent/average player I take great pride in my song construction and getting the best produced tones I can for them.

Someone else might be looking for the best live tones. Someone else might be looking for an amp to practice their technical mastery on so as to be the best player in the world and that is cool too. Someone else might just want to try playing a d chord through as many amps as possible...

is any one of these really more legit than the others? I don't believe so - but places like this and TGP allow members of all these categories to meet their needs.

[Ed DeGenaro]

The thing is everyone has their own agenda when it comes to music and that is a good thing. It's not all about killer playing for many people. For some people the collecting and sampling of different gear is a hobby in and of itself and I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

For me personally, my first goal is songwriting and then producing the track with the most monstrous guitar tones possible and as great production as I can muster - that means amps and guitar flavours play a major role in my musical life; even though I am clearly just a competent/average player I take great pride in my song construction and getting the best produced tones I can for them.

Someone else might be looking for the best live tones. Someone else might be looking for an amp to practice their technical mastery on so as to be the best player in the world and that is cool too. Someone else might just want to try playing a d chord through as many amps as possible...

is any one of these really more legit than the others? I don't believe so - but places like this and TGP allow members of all these categories to meet their needs.
If you're replying to me...I have no issue with any of the why and/or wherefore somebody hangs on forums/buys gear/whatever. Heck without that I wouldn't have a day gig. I merely am bemoaning the fact that I'd love to find a place to talk shop...on a player level.

[Big Mike]

Does it count as gear slut when you actually keep the stuff instead of buying and selling?
Only among friends. We convince the sig. others that they are 'tools'

[wordsonyou]

not really replying to anyone in particular just streaming some thoughts out loud...I think on HC I see the occasional shop talk but it always seems to devolve into name calling.

I hear you, not alot of areas on the net to discuss shop talk exclusively...

[Ed DeGenaro]

Only among friends. We convince the sig. others that they are 'tools'
Not in my house!
My wife describes this akin to a woman buying yet another same shade of lipstick. :)

Then again I have a trade off...almost as many dogs the wife rescued as guitars.

[Ed DeGenaro]

not really replying to anyone in particular just streaming some thoughts out loud...I think on HC I see the occasional shop talk but it always seems to devolve into name calling.

I hear you, not alot of areas on the net to discuss shop talk exclusively...
Except the shop talk on HC is so few and far between, and mostly on the Open Jam section where you have to weed to sooooo much OT stuff to get to that.

[Lanceaman]

Fair enough...
I guess my beef with that whole line of looking for the "holy grail" tone is that most working musos I've know come eventually to the realisation that they're the most important aspect of it.
Yeah, new toys are fun. But I can take anyone of the 30 some guitars I have and be prefectly happy with, same with my amps...
Agree to a point. I have a strat to get a strat sound, a tele for a tele sound and so forth. I also find that I somewhat change my style based on the instrument. For example, I do more double stop bends on the tele because it doesn't have a whammy.

When it comes to gtr review, I'm interested in:

intonation
how easy it tunes
how well is stays in tune (especially if has a whammy)
playability (subjective I know)
basic tonal signature
versatility (pup combination, single coil, double)

[gkoelling]

Since I never go to HC the only things I know about it are what I read here and nothing I've ever read here has made me want to go visit it so, as they said in the '60's, the circle is unbroken. :)

Amen.

"your message is too short. please lengthen it by at least five characters."

OK, Amen, again.

Furthermore, Jon is one of the most level-headed people I've seen here, or anywhere else. This is one of the reasons I come here. Educated, reasonable people.

[hemlock]

Furthermore, Jon is one of the most level-headed people I've seen here, or anywhere else. This is one of the reasons I come here. Educated, reasonable people.

Ditto. In real life guys like him won't hang out with me. Here, they have no choice. :D

[gitpicker]

This thread is somewhat bizzare...

For my own part, I rarely peruse HC because it seems that the average age and experience of the posters is somewhat less than those that frequent TGP. This is not intended as a put-down. It took me 30 years to get where I am, and I do not look down on those who have not been around as long as I have. It is just that TGP seems to have a more experienced and mature clientel that I feel more comfortable around. TGP has been an enormously effective resource to me - I find the reviews well written, insightful, and generally accurate. I enjoy the mature back and forth - there seems to be a general respect for the opinions of others, common courtesy , and politeness - I like that. I do not post on TGP to argue or vent, I post to ask (hopefully) intelligent questions and to share my (again hopefully) helpful insights and experiences. In the time I have actively been involved with TGP I feel that relationship has helped me to improve my tone, my understanding, my knowledge - in short, it has been a great resource that has helped me improve as a player. Thanks!