when is jazz not jazz?

[Chops]

just thought i'd see where y'all were on this.

choppertopper/mrl

[TMeury]

ever listened to Candiria?


They take "jazz" to new metal extremes

[aarondavis]

Probably when there is a "smooth" right bofore the jazz...

[Jon Silberman]

LOL! I'm with you, aaron! :D

[BBQLS1]

When it's just noise.

[tedm]

don't make me make clips to prove points before my morning coffee !!

BTW - Is Rachel Yamagata a jazz singer? She sometimes sounds like Sheryl Crow to me.

LOL! I'm with you, aaron! :D

[coreybox]

classifying music into genres is pretty subjective IMO. Half of what is played on country stations is nothing like what i would call country, but millions of people do.

[Daddyo]

When it doesn't swing.

[bleujazz3]

When I'm playing it... :o or attempting to do so.

[Zilmo]

Any time Kenny G is involved.

[Serious_Poo]

A little helpful yardstick for the novice:



Miles Davis-------------------------------------------------------------Kenny G
(Jazz)---------------------------------------------------------------- (Not Jazz)

[Robert1950]

A little helpful yardstick for the novice:


Miles Davis-------------------------------------------------------------Kenny G
(Jazz)---------------------------------------------------------------- (Not Jazz)
LOL! Thanks. I will use it.

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

A little helpful yardstick for the novice:



Miles Davis-------------------------------------------------------------Kenny G
(Jazz)---------------------------------------------------------------- (Not Jazz)

so what U are saying is, it's not jazz if it's played by white folk?

[Zilmo]

so what U are saying is, it's not jazz if it's played by white folk?
No, Whitey can do jazz, just not that whitey.

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

No, Whitey can do jazz, just not that whitey.

right, i think i get it. charlie haden CAN play jazz then?

[BoyMambo]

Jazz, I always thought took music to a new and interesting harmonic, tonal and rhythmic level. Smooth music is not jazz, just labeled that way by spin doctors and marketing types.

This is clear as it can get:

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Originally Posted by Serious_Poo
A little helpful yardstick for the novice:


Miles Davis-------------------------------------------------------------Kenny G
(Jazz)---------------------------------------------------------------- (Not Jazz)

[mudslide]

When is jazz not jazz--when nobody is improvising?

[Cheebatone]

Jazz is not Jazz ...when I play it. :(

[jato]

When it doesnt feel like jazz.


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[Jon Silberman]

Remember on Zappa's Roxy and Elsewhere album when George Duke or whoever it was sings, "This is bepop even though you think it doesn't sound like tha-a-a-a-at!" :)

[TRandy16]

This can be a fairly complex issue. I have listened to a lot of jazz in my time and even some of the more "outside" stuff that didn't "swing" in a traditional fashion was definitely still jazz in my mind. I'm thinking some of Ornette Coleman's work....Sun Ra....Roland Kirk's later work, etc.

Although that style of jazz may not be my first choice....I'm pretty much a Bill Evans, Kenny Burrell, Miles Davis "straight ahead" kind of listener....From time-to-time I find that sort of music a very interesting place to "visit".

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

This can be a fairly complex issue. I have listened to a lot of jazz in my time and even some of the more "outside" stuff that didn't "swing" in a traditional fashion was definitely still jazz in my mind. I'm thinking some of Ornette Coleman's work....Sun Ra....Roland Kirk's later

along w/ cecil taylor, albert ayler, art ensemble of chicago, michael gregory jackson, anthony braxton.
to me it swings...
... on a multi-dimensional level.

[WhaleBlueTwentyTwo]

Deep Inside by Incubus

[brad347]

Q: "when is jazz not jazz"

A: when you walk out of the record store and no longer have to use the categories to find what you want.

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"swinging" is not limited to jazz. I don't mean the literal figures but the feeling

James Jamerson swung his ass off on every single motown recording he played on but none of that was jazz.

Steve Gadd swings like crazy on all those pop records.

Ahmir Thompson on all those roots albums... listen to that groove and then listen to Erroll Garner swing his ass off on some medium-tempo swinger. To me it's the exact same **** going on. Makes me feel the same way.

It doesn't have to be jazz to swing. Also, improvisation is (obviously) not limited to jazz either. There's an argument to be made that having neither of those would preclude it from being 'jazz'

Basically, if someone wants to call the music they play 'jazz' then that must be what it is, at least in their mind. If it's their music, who am I to argue? Won't make me listen to it though.

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

It doesn't have to be jazz to swing. Also, improvisation is (obviously) not limited to jazz either. There's an argument to be made that having neither of those would preclude it from being 'jazz'

Basically, if someone wants to call the music they play 'jazz' then that must be what it is, at least in their mind. If it's their music, who am I to argue? Won't make me listen to it though.

so, is bob wills a type of jazz and what about all them hotshot bluegrass players?

[TRandy16]

so, is bob wills a type of jazz and what about all them hotshot bluegrass players?Perhaps...Tony Rice and David Grisman can definitely swing.

I think jazz influences a lot of players...even if they don't always realize it. :)

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

Perhaps...Tony Rice and David Grisman can definitely swing.

I think jazz influences a lot of players...even if they don't always realize it. :)

white jazz = bluegrass or "dawg" music.
white rap = square dance calling.

[BBQLS1]

A little helpful yardstick for the novice:



Miles Davis-------------------------------------------------------------Kenny G
(Jazz)---------------------------------------------------------------- (Not Jazz)
Love it.

[Crunchyriff]

IF Axl Rose attempts it.

[brad347]

so, is bob wills a type of jazz and what about all them hotshot bluegrass players?

Don't really know. Did Bob Wills think the music he was playing was jazz? If so, then it was, for him. I've had all kinds of people say my music is all sorts of things and if it is for them, fine.

I personally don't get caught up in naming things and just like to listen.