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guitrr
04-15-2004, 07:00 PM
Well, I said to hell with what everyone thinks, I'm going to try it anyway, so I had a set of EMG's installed in my McRosie. Bill Fels, his son Cory, and Doug Montgomery, all of the Guitar Factory in Orlando, have been my techs for over 15 years now, and are total EMG freaks, so they were only too happy to do the installation. I elected to go with a 85/60 set, and forget about the coil tapping. My guitar so far has been through the stock McCarty pu's and a set Rio Grandes, which I thought were a slight improvement over stock.

The jury is still out, as the pickups have only been in for about two weeks, and this is a preliminary report, as I've only performed twice with it, and been to a few jams and rehersals. I play through a Dr Z Maz 18 Junior, with the following effects chain: Rotovibe, Fulltone Fulldrive, Boss Phaser, Liquid Audio H2O chorus/delay, CryBaby wah, Xotic Robotalk, and Fulltone Fat Boost. I also recently got my Keeley modified Boss Blues Driver back from Robert Keeley, and have started to incorporate that into my signal chain, but that's another thread.

The EMG's have definitely changed the nature of the guitar dramatically. As I said, I'm still getting used to them, and am experimenting with tweaking my amp, effects, and playing; so the jury is still out for me personally. Having said that, everyone else who's heard the guitar has positively raved about it. I must admit I'm a little surprised at the reaction, which has been quite emphatic. The guitarists, other musicians, and non-musicians alike have all offered wonderful compliments on the tone and power of my guitar. It really seems to impress people.

To my ear, the EMG's have changed the guitar in these respects:

1) Definitely more of a modern, contemporary sound, and not very "vintage" in nature. If this were my only guitar, I might have a problem with that, but it's not, so that's a moot point. However it is one of my 2 or 3 main guitars, so I am concerned that it will remain usefully versatile tonewise. It pushes the amp much harder, which of course causes it to overdrive very easily. The resulting sound is very, very creamy, but something more like that of a modern amp (Fuchs, Mesa/Boogie, Bogner, etc.) vs a more vintage sound (Plexi, AC 30, JTM45). The Dr Z was overdriven pretty readily by the former passive pu's, so now it's a distortion freak's dream! It gets a Santana tone that would make Carlos proud, and the bass string pinch harmonics would make Billy Gibbons beam!
On that note, with the EMG's I could probably benefit from a little more headroom than is available with an 18 watt tube amp. We'll see how it sounds through my 60 watt Fender HR Deville.

2) The EMG's are very touch sensitve, both to how hard I strike the strings, and to extraneous touches, intended or otherwise. Much like Joe Barden pu's, these things transmit exactly what you play through the amp. What you do is what you hear. It certainly forces one to be more cognizant of how you are playing.

3) The transition from clean to dirty is not as linear as with the passives. I.E. to some extent the overdriven quality is on or off. The volume knob at 10 is full bore distortion, 8 is highly crunchy, 6 is clean, unless you are really digging in with a heavy pick attack. That's my initial impression anyway.

4) I have lost some of the natural "woody" resonance of the rosewood neck, but it's fairly subtle, not nearly as dramatic as everyone here cautioned me about.

5) The pickups are stone silent when you want them to be - no hiss, crackle, or pop. That's to be expected; it's what EMG's are known for, and is definitely one of their greatest strengths.

6) I like the tone of the 85, I LOVE the tone of the 60. I may try changing the 85 out for another 60, or a 60A. The 60 is both clearer and warmer than the 85, which really surprised me, given that the 60 is a ceramic magnet. I guess it shows that there are no absolutes when it comes to pickups.


So far I like 'em. They're very different, but I am digging it, and so is everyone else, apparently. I wouldn't say the EMG's would be a good bet for a vintage purist, but a player who likes a very thick saturated tone will probably dig 'em.

You can see picks of the guitar at my Webshots page via the link below.

Kane

Adam
04-16-2004, 09:15 AM
I've never seen anyone mod a high-ticket PRS out like you have. I'm glad it's working out for you, though.

DBornack
05-24-2004, 06:58 AM
3) The transition from clean to dirty is not as linear as with the passives. I.E. to some extent the overdriven quality is on or off. The volume knob at 10 is full bore distortion, 8 is highly crunchy, 6 is clean, unless you are really digging in with a heavy pick attack. That's my initial impression anyway.


My friend plays LPs with the EMG81s, and like you said.. its very non linear, and it works for him because he can just use distortion channel and roll of volume for that slightly dirty clean sound.. it suits his music well.. I am considering swapping out my Tremonti Pups in my TSE for the 81s..

Adam
05-24-2004, 08:13 AM
My friend plays LPs with the EMG81s, and like you said.. its very non linear, and it works for him because he can just use distortion channel and roll of volume for that slightly dirty clean sound.. it suits his music well.. I am considering swapping out my Tremonti Pups in my TSE for the 81s..
I have an SG Special that I recently put the 81, 85 set in as replacement for the stock alnico's. Funny thing though - I started out with the recommended configuration for the pups - 81 in the bridge, 85 in the neck, and after about a week of playing with my band I switched them and am loving the results.

The 81 in the neck provides a lot more clarity for soloing - it's not nearly as bassy, but still retains that round-sounding neck pup tonality. The 85 in the bridge is the biggest reason I'm glad I switched them, though. It has huge output and sounds very, very powerful. In fact, my band members have dubbed the guitar "The Beef God." I'm taking that as a good thing.

Erik
05-24-2004, 08:55 AM
Wow, thanks for the review. I've been seriously contemplating doing the same mod to my SC. I have the 85/60 combo in a Jackson and must say that it seems to be a winner.

Hmmmm, something to think about.

Brian
05-24-2004, 10:06 AM
Congrats on the upgrade, pickup swaps can change the whole character of a guitar...

My SSE - an ok player with stock electronics
add #10s McCarty switching
All I can say is :dude: :dude: :dude:

guitrr
05-24-2004, 11:55 AM
I must admit I'm surprised; EMG's have been so vilified in the boutique community that I didn't expect so many positive comments in this forum.

It's been a few months now since I made to switch to EMG's, and they are here to stay, I'm very pleased with the mods and my "new" McCarty. The guitar's tone continues to receive rave reviews at gigs from players and non-players alike. I love the responsivness and output of the EMG's, although I still make that experiment to try a 60 in the bridge position. Not that the 85 is lacking, but rather because I like the 60's tone so much. And no noise!

Btw, I recently posted comments under the amp section about my new Germino, and the McCarty/EMG combination in that amp just KILLS :dude: It sounds huge, warm, and notes and chords sustain forever. I also have a G&L Legacy strat style and a parts Tele, both with EMG single coils, and they also sound marvelous through the Germino. The only passive pickup equipped guitar I own that seems to compare is my semi-solid Heritage Prospect, which has a Freddie King on steriods tone when played through that amp. :D

My personal tastes don't really favor the EMG 81, as for me, it overdrives too easily - just seems resistant to clean tones.

Kane

Andrew
05-24-2004, 04:51 PM
Very cool. I've been contemplating EMG's in my Custom 24.